Hip Hop Ladies Night – who better – Foxy Brown Vs Lil’Kim

Hip Hop Feuds_Lil’ Kim Vs Foxy Brown

Long before the beef erupted between Lil’ Kim and Foxy Brown, the two were at one point high school friends.[58] The pair resided in Brooklyn and would often hang out and talk on the phone till six in the morning.[58] Foxy Brown recalls, “We always had a pact. We use to be managed by Lance ‘Un’ Rivera. But then Kim went with Biggie, and I went with Jay-Z; she paid her dues.”[58] Although they became associates and members of differing hip-hop groups (Kim with Junior M.A.F.I.A. and Foxy with The Firm), both Foxy and Kim still remained the best of friends and began to work together musically in various projects. In 1995, the two were featured on the music video and remix of Total’s single, “No One Else” alongside Da Brat. In the summer of 1996, both Brown and Kim were featured in the Hot 97 NY Fashion Show.[59] By the latter end of 1996, Kim and Foxy were requested to be featured in a variety of magazine covers together, among the likes of Source and the Vibe special, “Rap Reigns Supreme,” which saw releases in 1997 and 1998, respectively.[60][61]

But in the midst of their collaborative efforts, conflicts were developing between Brown’s and Kim’s camps. The first dispute occurred during the releases of their debut albums, which were both coincidentally released in November 1996, a week apart from each other.[60] Moreover, media sources took notice of copycatting in the album sleeve of Foxy Brown’s Ill Na Na, where Brown was shown wearing the same exact outfit as the one Kim was wearing in the album sleeve of her debut Hard Core.[62]

In 1997, Kim and Foxy Brown were slated to record an album and its title track, “Thelma & Louise.”[58] However, the dispute between the two female rappers prevented any recording for the project; Brown had even went further to add that she and Kim were no longer friends.[58] When asked on the matter, Brown stated, “It didn’t have to do with Kim and I personally. It was the people around us. At the time we were supposed to record [Thelma & Louise], we weren’t speaking. [Lance] ‘Un’ [Rivera] came to me and said, ‘I know you and Shorty [Kim] ain’t on the best of terms right now, but….’ And at first I wasn’t really with it. The day after, Kim called me. But when you have two women who once were friends, who now have bitter feelings toward each other and are getting fed bull from every angle… the conversation was useless.”[58] Kim and Foxy then began to argue over the phone for 30 minutes in debate of “who said what.”[58] Brown recalls, “I was talking to a dial tone.”[58] Brown hung up on Kim and decided to record her verse for “Thelma & Louise” anyway despite the argument she and Kim just had.[58] After finishing her recording, Brown was waiting with Chris Lighty and ‘Un’ in the studio and claims she was expecting Kim to come to the studio to record her part.[58] However, after waiting “several hours,” Brown recalled, “[Kim] never showed.”[58]

For more than a year, Brown and Kim would no longer talk to each other until a burglary incident at Brown’s house broke their silence.[58][63] On July 8, 1998, two gunmen had forced their way into Brown’s home by pretending to be package delivery men; they had pushed Brown’s mother into the bathroom and held Brown at gunpoint with a handgun.[63][64] Stricken with fear, Lil’ Kim immediately phoned Foxy Brown to check to see if she was okay.[58] Brown confirmed, “Kim was the first one concerned. I appreciated that and still have mad love for her.”[58] Following the heinous crime, Lance ‘Un’ Rivera negotiated with Foxy and Kim to complete “Thelma & Louise”; however, the two were not 100% ready due to they were still in the process of slowly rekindling their friendship.[58] But less than a year later, friction between the two would resurface again.

On January 26, 1999, Foxy Brown’s sophomore album, Chyna Doll, was released to mixed reviews.[65] Critics took note of Brown’s record “My Life,” which served as an “open appeal” to Brown’s friendship with Lil’ Kim, in which she cited the relationship being “lost for pride.”[66][67] Critics also noted Brown’s contradiction of “My Life,” in the latter portion of Chyna Doll, where she made attacks on “pointed mistresses.”[67] Critics indicated the records were in subtle use to diss Lil’ Kim, especially since during this time, Brown had been supporting Kim’s rival Faith Evans in multiple interviews.[67] On May 1999, the mastered version of Lil Cease’s “Play Around” with Diddy’s verse had hit radio airwaves and was set to be featured on Cease’s debut The Wonderful World of Cease A Leo.[60] In the song, after Kim’s guest rap, Diddy says, “Stop trying to sound like her too bitches”; a subliminal diss aimed at Foxy.[60] In addition, tabloid reports began to circulate and beg the question, “Why does Foxy Brown suddenly sound exactly like Lil’ Kim?”[68] While others went on to add, in emphasis of Diddy’s “Play Around” verse: “It’s finally coming out. Foxy Brown bites worse than a pit bull.”[69] In addition, Kim’s guest appearance on Mobb Deep’s “Quiet Storm (Remix)” and her sophomore album’s title track, “The Notorious K.I.M.,” were released as diss records to Foxy Brown.[60] Angered by Kim’s response, Brown joined forces with longtime associates Capone-N-Noreaga on the track, “Bang, Bang.”[60] In the track, Brown mimicked Kim’s interpolation of MC Lyte’s “10% Dis,” and went on to add: “You and Diddy y’all kill me with that subliminal shit.”[60] Towards the ending of her verse, Brown pushed the envelope by dissing Kim’s grieving for the loss of Biggie Smalls, “Let the nigga [Biggie] rest in peace, and hop off his dick, bitch do you.”[60][70]

Deeply offended by Foxy’s harsh remarks, Kim did not reply subliminally nor openly towards Brown. However, on February 26, 2001, at 3 p.m., when Kim had left New York radio station Hot 97 a shooting broke out; over twenty shots were fired between two groups of three men.[71][72] One of the men in the groups was Capone, one-half member of Capone-N-Noreaga, who was entering the Hot 97 building in promotion of interviewer DJ Clue’s new album, The Professional 2, which happened to have also featured Kim.[73] An affiliate, Efrain Ocasio, from Capone’s entourage was shot in the back; both parties from Kim and Capone denied any involvement in the shooting.[73] However, a motive behind the shooting was later determined; detectives informed The New York Daily News that it was a result of the verses Foxy Brown recited in “Bang, Bang.”[73]

Shaken up by the incident, Brown tried to reach out to Kim in hopes of settling a truce.[74] Brown stated, “I really don’t know how it started. But Russell [Simmons] and I, we got together, and I said, ‘Russell, I want to call a truce.’ I want to have a sit-down with Kim. I don’t care what it is. Let’s just end it. We can even do a collaboration. We’re bigger than this. If it has to start with me, let it start with me.”[74] Brown even extended an olive branch to Kim’s camp, however Kim had cut all ties with Diddy, Bad Boy associates and wanted no communication with Brown whatsoever.[74] On July 6, 2005, Kim was sentenced to prison for three counts of perjury and one count of conspiracy.[75]

During the 4-year span leading up to Kim’s sentencing, Brown and Kim began to exchange subtle diss records towards each other, among them included Kim’s La Bella Mafia, “Came Back for You,” “Quiet,” and “Guess Who’s Back”; and in turn, Brown’s Ill Na Na 2: The Fever and various mixtape freestyles with Kim’s rival, Charli Baltimore.[76] In the midst of the diss records, Brown was interviewed by Doug Banks in 2003 to disclose any further details pertaining to her dispute with Kim.[77] Brown claimed that Kim was allegedly jealous that Biggie was to include Brown in his Junior Mafia collective.[77] Brown also added that a tell-all book disclosing the feud would be released in Christmas of 2003.[77] In her final regards to the dispute, Brown stated: “Kim is the only female artist that keeps me on my toes. She’s the only one that I can look at; and any other artist that says they don’t have that one person that keeps them driven… is lying.”[77]

Following her release from prison, Lil’ Kim no longer acknowledged Foxy Brown. Brown, on the other hand, has consistently targeted Kim as a prime basis in her music and concert venues since Kim’s prison release.[78][79][80][81][82][83][84]

On May 17, 2012, Kim attended an interview with radio show, The Breakfast Club.[85] When asked about whether or not she had spoken to Brown at all in recent years, Kim replied, “I don’t even know her. And when I say that; I don’t know who she is to these days. I wouldn’t even know what her voice sounds like.”[85]

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